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[aceofhicks]

So, on Tuesday the Canadian Forces got renamed to their pre-1968 Names.

the Canadian Forces Land Force Command is now the Canadian Army

the Canadian Forces Maritime Command (MARCOM) in now the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN)

the Canadian Forces Air Command (AIRCOM) is now the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF)

Do You Agree or Disagree with the name Change; Why or Why Not?

Personally (As a Monarchist & a Loyalist) I think the change is for the best, as it shows Canada's Military History.

[Sergeant Lyeman]

Sounds better, removes what seems like a disconnect from Canada's history.

[aceofhicks]

Sounds better, removes what seems like a disconnect from Canada's history.

That's what the Government said the reason for the change was. Correcting a Historical Mistake.

[Darthme]

Well it's definitely easier to say.  Other than that, I don't really see much of a difference.  (I don't know a whole lot about Canada, nor do I pretend to, despite living in the country directly under it)

[M Doyle]

the Canadian Forces Maritime Command (MARCOM) in now the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN)

Don't you need a monarc for that :p?

[Doktor von Wer]

Don't you need a monarc for that :p?

The Queen of Canada, yes...

[Stockholm Syndrome (pORG13i)]

Don't you need a monarc for that :p?

,
seriously....

[M Doyle]

seriously....

SHe;'s our queen damn it! YOU CAN'T HAVE HER!!!

(well oyu can, IDC either way)

[s-t-n]

SHe;'s our queen damn it! YOU CAN'T HAVE HER!!!

(well oyu can, IDC either way)

It's treason, then...

[Aelek]

Canada? Military? Hah!

I think I could fight a war better than Canada on my own with a baseball bat.

[Stockholm Syndrome (pORG13i)]

Canada? Military? Hah!

I think I could fight a war better than Canada on my own with a baseball bat.

as a former Austrian Chancellor said: "learn history!"

D-Day. while the British forces had an easy way, the US-roups faced German forces at  Omaha Beach and almost lost. This is well known. Less known: Canadian Forces landing at Juno Beach had to face the same amount of resistance and had heavy casualties too - but they not only managed to defeat the German defenders, they managed to push more yards inland than any other army on D-Day.
they're bravery in WW1 is known as well.
Canada doesn't stage themselves and their victories like the US does, but they sure can fight...

[aceofhicks]

as a former Austrian Chancellor said: "learn history!"

D-Day. while the British forces had an easy way, the US-roups faced German forces at  Omaha Beach and almost lost. This is well known. Less known: Canadian Forces landing at Juno Beach had to face the same amount of resistance and had heavy casualties too - but they not only managed to defeat the German defenders, they managed to push more yards inland than any other army on D-Day.
they're bravery in WW1 is known as well.
Canada doesn't stage themselves and their victories like the US does, but they sure can fight...

That was back then. Our Army/Navy/Air force is heavily under funded, and our northern units use old Lee Enfields.

However, you are correct in our Military History. Canada used to be a force to be reckoned with.

[s-t-n]

Canada is a force to be reckoned with.

The Commonwealth is like a family of brothers who all have each others backs.

Britain is the eldest brother, who was a bit of a [censored] to all its siblings in the past but has always had the best of intentions. Now, having matured more fully, Britain will back any of the family up at a moments notice.

Canada is a middle brother, which is quite modest about its achievements. Get called in whenever the Brits couldn't do the battle in WW2? No problem. Manage to be a modern military power without abusing the power? Easy. Huge oil-shale deposits *not* being used to pressure other countries into doing what it wants? Its how Canada rolls. Basically, the good-guy Greg of the family.

Canada will always be a force because The Commonwealth will dog-pile any aggressor.

[The rest of The Commonwealth has been left out because this is a Canada thread, but I'm sure you can imagine how you all fit in the family. Including the one country who disowned the family for refusing to pay their way while living under our roof ]

[Stockholm Syndrome (pORG13i)]

The Commonwealth is like a family of brothers who all have each others backs.
 Basically, the good-guy Greg of the family.

well said

That was back then. Our Army/Navy/Air force is heavily under funded, and our northern units use old Lee Enfields.

However, you are correct in our Military History. Canada used to be a force to be reckoned with.

For what does Canada need a stronger military force? for a country, surrounded by friends, with no real enemies around the world, 1,1% of the GDP is by far enough.
My little homeland spends 0,7%...

[M Doyle]

well said


For what does Canada need a stronger military force? for a country, surrounded by friends

Ah yeas... and with friends like the US who needs enemies?

just putting this here...


(Anyone who knows fallout will get the refferences to Canada and the US and Anchorage)

[aceofhicks]

The Commonwealth is like a family of brothers who all have each others backs.

Britain is the eldest brother, who was a bit of a [censored] to all its siblings in the past but has always had the best of intentions. Now, having matured more fully, Britain will back any of the family up at a moments notice.

Canada is a middle brother, which is quite modest about its achievements. Get called in whenever the Brits couldn't do the battle in WW2? No problem. Manage to be a modern military power without abusing the power? Easy. Huge oil-shale deposits *not* being used to pressure other countries into doing what it wants? Its how Canada rolls. Basically, the good-guy Greg of the family.

Canada will always be a force because The Commonwealth will dog-pile any aggressor.

[The rest of The Commonwealth has been left out because this is a Canada thread, but I'm sure you can imagine how you all fit in the family. Including the one country who disowned the family for refusing to pay their way while living under our roof ]

I was referring to Canada on it's self. Canada's strength is that while we have a mid-sized military, most of the world (especially UK, Australia, New Zealand, US, etc) likes us.

For what does Canada need a stronger military force? for a country, surrounded by friends, with no real enemies around the world, 1,1% of the GDP is by far enough.
My little homeland spends 0,7%...

However, it doesn't mean that the money is well spent.

For instance:

our main military helicopters are old Seakings (which crash all the time), and modified Hueys.

Our navy ships are starting to get old, and are so few in numbers that we can barely defend our arctic sovereignty and commit to NATO/International missions at the same time.

Again, while being with other nations is our main strength, it's difficult to patrol our arctic boarders, AND commit to International Missions (i.e. Libya)

Ah yeas... and with friends like the US who needs enemies?

just putting this here...


(Anyone who knows fallout will get the refferences to Canada and the US and Anchorage)

I could see the US trying to annex Canada someday.

[Republic at War]

Honestly with regards to NATO the whole organization needs an overhaul, it was designed to fight a conventional war against the USSR not help rebels or deal with terrorist stats and genocide situations. The helicopter thing sounds like a issue, the U.S obviously makes a lot of good choppers and the Eurocopter is also a good attack chopper, maybe buy some of those? As for the navy, britain, france, u.s, germany, and so on are developing a bunch of new generation frigates, submarines, and other multipurpose ships that you guys could use as a base for designing a new class or two of ships. Heck, you could even commission someone to build some ships, the Italians ordered some new type 212a U-boats from the Germans and the Russians are copying the design to an extent since its probably the best non-nuclear submarine out there.

[M Doyle]

Canada needs some battleships. (armed with missile launchers, cruise missiles and cannoons) Even if they're not needed they look beautiful, put the fear of god into anything that sees them and make a wonderful symbol of power... so sad their age ended in WWII

[Darthme]

Britain is the eldest brother, who was a bit of a [censored] to all its siblings in the past but has always had the best of intentions. Now, having matured more fully, Britain will back any of the family up at a moments notice.

[The rest of The Commonwealth has been left out because this is a Canada thread, but I'm sure you can imagine how you all fit in the family. Including the one country who disowned the family for refusing to pay their way while living under our roof ]

I think you gave us a reason to do so, no?  (Also, if we were brothers, why did we have to pay to live with our family?)

Back to Canada:  Yes Canada has a lot of friends who will help it out.  But they also haven't done much politically that would make other countries want to attack them.  (At least that I know of)  So unless Canada decides to attack someone, they won't really need a super-strong army. 

[s-t-n]

I think you gave us a reason to do so, no?  (Also, if we were brothers, why did we have to pay to live with our family?)

Back to Canada:  Yes Canada has a lot of friends who will help it out.  But they also haven't done much politically that would make other countries want to attack them.  (At least that I know of)  So unless Canada decides to attack someone, they won't really need a super-strong army. 

We were dicks to the natives, not to our own people [which is what America was back then]. In a family of brothers you still have to pay the bills...you expect just the elder brother to cover it all? That's pretty much what happened. We wanted money to pay the bills, as every country does, and a fraction of the soon-to-be USA said [much like the tea party does today] why should I have to pay? I don't want to pay taxes!

[Proving Rule 25 right here]

[Doktor von Wer]

We were dicks to the natives, not to our own people [which is what America was back then]. In a family of brothers you still have to pay the bills...you expect just the elder brother to cover it all? That's pretty much what happened. We wanted money to pay the bills, as every country does, and a fraction of the soon-to-be USA said [much like the tea party does today] why should I have to pay? I don't want to pay taxes!

[Proving Rule 25 right here]

We did go about it a bit harshly; demanded it outright instead of going through the local councils which, in the opinions of a few historians I've been privileged enough to talk to or read the works of, was the main problem.. It is thought that the taxes would have probably been paid if it'd had been done through the right channels - the cash was being raised to fund British Army and colonial militia units to defend American settlements from the disgruntled natives, after all (!) - but unfortunately we were a bit obtuse.

Doesn't give them an excuse to rebel; waste a load of perfectly good tea; exterminate the natives and force them into reservations; come late for both World Wars; be half the cause of the Cold War and go around wrecking less wealthy countries in a blind moral crusade today, though.

[Darthme]

We did go about it a bit harshly; demanded it outright instead of going through the local councils which, in the opinions of a few historians I've been privileged enough to talk to or read the works of, was the main problem.. It is thought that the taxes would have probably been paid if it'd had been done through the right channels - the cash was being raised to fund British Army and colonial militia units to defend American settlements from the disgruntled natives, after all (!) - but unfortunately we were a bit obtuse.

Doesn't give them an excuse to rebel; waste a load of perfectly good tea; exterminate the natives and force them into reservations; come late for both World Wars; be half the cause of the Cold War and go around wrecking less wealthy countries in a blind moral crusade today, though.

Think of it this way, all we wanted was representation.  If America could have represented itself, we could have come to a peaceful agreement on which amount of taxation was right and I'm sure that most Americans would have payed it.  Also Britain sorted of screwed America over after the French/Indian War.  They promised us the Ohio valley, then won it, then said that no one could settle there, and let the French have it again.  They needed lots of tax money to cover the costs of the French/Indian War.  A lot of American settlers were understandably angry.  (Still doesn't give a right to tar-and-feather British Tax collectors)

 

[Republic at War]

What America needs to do for one is rewrite the constutution, some of the amendments are outmoded these days, the "guns dont kill people, people kill people" is complete hogwash these days, you look at just about every other western country which has outlawed guns and such and the murders caused by guns is miniscule (indeed some murder rates in these countries in general is tiny) And the right to raise a millitia? Thats the national guard, completely useless now...

Anyway back to the topic I think its a reasonable change, I wouldnt really care if the German army was renamed the wehrmacht, it doesnt mean "jew hating army" it means defensive forces which is essentially what the German army is these days since the constitution basically forbids offensive wars and the rules of engagement are basically you can shoot back once your boat is sunk, your position is overrun, and your plane is going down in flames -.-

[Zeta1127]

Actually, its not even really the national guard, because the world has changed so much. The original definition of a well trained militia was the citizen soldiers that owned their own guns.

[M Doyle]

don't atctually need any armies at all these days. we've got UAVs, UGVs and other drones.

'sides... if there's any big wars between first world contries and somewhere like america or the UK gets invaded we won't need a home guard... Kinda hard to stop nuclear missiles with rifles and machine guns...

[Darthme]

don't atctually need any armies at all these days. we've got UAVs, UGVs and other drones.

'sides... if there's any big wars between first world contries and somewhere like america or the UK gets invaded we won't need a home guard... Kinda hard to stop nuclear missiles with rifles and machine guns...

At that point we call Bad Squadron and let them take care of it.

[Republic at War]

Nuclear weapons are political weapons, the only states that would actually use them these days would be Israel, India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran if they ever get them.

Israel cause they would definitely nuke Iran if they got too far along in their nuclear project or some other muslim nation that they felt overly threatened by.

India/Pakistan because they hate eachother and have relatively little restraint in their relationship if they go to war again.

North Korea because the ruling dynasty is insane and would totally do it if they thought it could lead to reunification on their terms (even if Seoul became a radioactive crater in the process)

Iran because if Israel pissed them off enough they would retaliate (I dont like Israeli politics but nuking them is a wee bit extreme, carpet bombings fine though.

[Stockholm Syndrome (pORG13i)]

NK ain't in a position to use nuclear warfare.
they depend on China and Russia, and they won't aloow them to use such weaponry.
Pakistan and India - I refuse to believe that they would actually use those weapons against each other. They fight more like a cold war. In the hands of indian or pakistani extremists...well let's hope that won't ever happen.
Iran/Israel.....got a point there.

but yeah: why would Canada need a strong army? they need a fleet, true. but besides that...

[Republic at War]

You gotta keep those polar bears and mooses in check, i swear they are making an Alliance against the canadians!

[aceofhicks]

You gotta keep those polar bears and mooses in check, i swear they are making an Alliance against the canadians!

Just the Polar Bears, the Moose are good

[Darthme]

Just the Polar Bears, the Moose are good

I believe the plural is Miise. 

Maybe we should just rename this the Canada topic?