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[aceofhicks]

So, on Tuesday the Canadian Forces got renamed to their pre-1968 Names.

the Canadian Forces Land Force Command is now the Canadian Army

the Canadian Forces Maritime Command (MARCOM) in now the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN)

the Canadian Forces Air Command (AIRCOM) is now the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF)

Do You Agree or Disagree with the name Change; Why or Why Not?

Personally (As a Monarchist & a Loyalist) I think the change is for the best, as it shows Canada's Military History.

[Sergeant Lyeman]

Sounds better, removes what seems like a disconnect from Canada's history.

[aceofhicks]

Sounds better, removes what seems like a disconnect from Canada's history.

That's what the Government said the reason for the change was. Correcting a Historical Mistake.

[Darthme]

Well it's definitely easier to say.  Other than that, I don't really see much of a difference.  (I don't know a whole lot about Canada, nor do I pretend to, despite living in the country directly under it)

[M Doyle]

the Canadian Forces Maritime Command (MARCOM) in now the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN)

Don't you need a monarc for that :p?

[Doktor von Wer]

Don't you need a monarc for that :p?

The Queen of Canada, yes...

[Stockholm Syndrome (pORG13i)]

Don't you need a monarc for that :p?

,
seriously....

[M Doyle]

seriously....

SHe;'s our queen damn it! YOU CAN'T HAVE HER!!!

(well oyu can, IDC either way)

[s-t-n]

SHe;'s our queen damn it! YOU CAN'T HAVE HER!!!

(well oyu can, IDC either way)

It's treason, then...

[Aelek]

Canada? Military? Hah!

I think I could fight a war better than Canada on my own with a baseball bat.

[Stockholm Syndrome (pORG13i)]

Canada? Military? Hah!

I think I could fight a war better than Canada on my own with a baseball bat.

as a former Austrian Chancellor said: "learn history!"

D-Day. while the British forces had an easy way, the US-roups faced German forces at  Omaha Beach and almost lost. This is well known. Less known: Canadian Forces landing at Juno Beach had to face the same amount of resistance and had heavy casualties too - but they not only managed to defeat the German defenders, they managed to push more yards inland than any other army on D-Day.
they're bravery in WW1 is known as well.
Canada doesn't stage themselves and their victories like the US does, but they sure can fight...

[aceofhicks]

as a former Austrian Chancellor said: "learn history!"

D-Day. while the British forces had an easy way, the US-roups faced German forces at  Omaha Beach and almost lost. This is well known. Less known: Canadian Forces landing at Juno Beach had to face the same amount of resistance and had heavy casualties too - but they not only managed to defeat the German defenders, they managed to push more yards inland than any other army on D-Day.
they're bravery in WW1 is known as well.
Canada doesn't stage themselves and their victories like the US does, but they sure can fight...

That was back then. Our Army/Navy/Air force is heavily under funded, and our northern units use old Lee Enfields.

However, you are correct in our Military History. Canada used to be a force to be reckoned with.

[s-t-n]

Canada is a force to be reckoned with.

The Commonwealth is like a family of brothers who all have each others backs.

Britain is the eldest brother, who was a bit of a [censored] to all its siblings in the past but has always had the best of intentions. Now, having matured more fully, Britain will back any of the family up at a moments notice.

Canada is a middle brother, which is quite modest about its achievements. Get called in whenever the Brits couldn't do the battle in WW2? No problem. Manage to be a modern military power without abusing the power? Easy. Huge oil-shale deposits *not* being used to pressure other countries into doing what it wants? Its how Canada rolls. Basically, the good-guy Greg of the family.

Canada will always be a force because The Commonwealth will dog-pile any aggressor.

[The rest of The Commonwealth has been left out because this is a Canada thread, but I'm sure you can imagine how you all fit in the family. Including the one country who disowned the family for refusing to pay their way while living under our roof ]

[Stockholm Syndrome (pORG13i)]

The Commonwealth is like a family of brothers who all have each others backs.
 Basically, the good-guy Greg of the family.

well said

That was back then. Our Army/Navy/Air force is heavily under funded, and our northern units use old Lee Enfields.

However, you are correct in our Military History. Canada used to be a force to be reckoned with.

For what does Canada need a stronger military force? for a country, surrounded by friends, with no real enemies around the world, 1,1% of the GDP is by far enough.
My little homeland spends 0,7%...

[M Doyle]

well said


For what does Canada need a stronger military force? for a country, surrounded by friends

Ah yeas... and with friends like the US who needs enemies?

just putting this here...


(Anyone who knows fallout will get the refferences to Canada and the US and Anchorage)

[aceofhicks]

The Commonwealth is like a family of brothers who all have each others backs.

Britain is the eldest brother, who was a bit of a [censored] to all its siblings in the past but has always had the best of intentions. Now, having matured more fully, Britain will back any of the family up at a moments notice.

Canada is a middle brother, which is quite modest about its achievements. Get called in whenever the Brits couldn't do the battle in WW2? No problem. Manage to be a modern military power without abusing the power? Easy. Huge oil-shale deposits *not* being used to pressure other countries into doing what it wants? Its how Canada rolls. Basically, the good-guy Greg of the family.

Canada will always be a force because The Commonwealth will dog-pile any aggressor.

[The rest of The Commonwealth has been left out because this is a Canada thread, but I'm sure you can imagine how you all fit in the family. Including the one country who disowned the family for refusing to pay their way while living under our roof ]

I was referring to Canada on it's self. Canada's strength is that while we have a mid-sized military, most of the world (especially UK, Australia, New Zealand, US, etc) likes us.

For what does Canada need a stronger military force? for a country, surrounded by friends, with no real enemies around the world, 1,1% of the GDP is by far enough.
My little homeland spends 0,7%...

However, it doesn't mean that the money is well spent.

For instance:

our main military helicopters are old Seakings (which crash all the time), and modified Hueys.

Our navy ships are starting to get old, and are so few in numbers that we can barely defend our arctic sovereignty and commit to NATO/International missions at the same time.

Again, while being with other nations is our main strength, it's difficult to patrol our arctic boarders, AND commit to International Missions (i.e. Libya)

Ah yeas... and with friends like the US who needs enemies?

just putting this here...


(Anyone who knows fallout will get the refferences to Canada and the US and Anchorage)

I could see the US trying to annex Canada someday.

[Republic at War]

Honestly with regards to NATO the whole organization needs an overhaul, it was designed to fight a conventional war against the USSR not help rebels or deal with terrorist stats and genocide situations. The helicopter thing sounds like a issue, the U.S obviously makes a lot of good choppers and the Eurocopter is also a good attack chopper, maybe buy some of those? As for the navy, britain, france, u.s, germany, and so on are developing a bunch of new generation frigates, submarines, and other multipurpose ships that you guys could use as a base for designing a new class or two of ships. Heck, you could even commission someone to build some ships, the Italians ordered some new type 212a U-boats from the Germans and the Russians are copying the design to an extent since its probably the best non-nuclear submarine out there.

[M Doyle]

Canada needs some battleships. (armed with missile launchers, cruise missiles and cannoons) Even if they're not needed they look beautiful, put the fear of god into anything that sees them and make a wonderful symbol of power... so sad their age ended in WWII

[Darthme]

Britain is the eldest brother, who was a bit of a [censored] to all its siblings in the past but has always had the best of intentions. Now, having matured more fully, Britain will back any of the family up at a moments notice.

[The rest of The Commonwealth has been left out because this is a Canada thread, but I'm sure you can imagine how you all fit in the family. Including the one country who disowned the family for refusing to pay their way while living under our roof ]

I think you gave us a reason to do so, no?  (Also, if we were brothers, why did we have to pay to live with our family?)

Back to Canada:  Yes Canada has a lot of friends who will help it out.  But they also haven't done much politically that would make other countries want to attack them.  (At least that I know of)  So unless Canada decides to attack someone, they won't really need a super-strong army. 

[s-t-n]

I think you gave us a reason to do so, no?  (Also, if we were brothers, why did we have to pay to live with our family?)

Back to Canada:  Yes Canada has a lot of friends who will help it out.  But they also haven't done much politically that would make other countries want to attack them.  (At least that I know of)  So unless Canada decides to attack someone, they won't really need a super-strong army. 

We were dicks to the natives, not to our own people [which is what America was back then]. In a family of brothers you still have to pay the bills...you expect just the elder brother to cover it all? That's pretty much what happened. We wanted money to pay the bills, as every country does, and a fraction of the soon-to-be USA said [much like the tea party does today] why should I have to pay? I don't want to pay taxes!

[Proving Rule 25 right here]