Topic: Jedi indigenous unit on Courscant? (Read 749 times)

Peace Trooper · « **on:** December 20, 2008, 06:33 pm »

The republic should have a jedi temple on Courscant that spawns jedi knights (didnt find this in common requests)

Argonnath · « **Reply #1 on:** December 20, 2008, 06:38 pm »

YES. But modders dont like it.

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #2 on:** December 20, 2008, 06:39 pm »

i think they dont like them being buildable and used on the galactic map. this is a little diffrent and it makes sence because courscant is the Jedi capital

Sarcastic · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2008, 09:59 pm »

No, the Temple isn't part of the map and people would be crazy to attack it anyway.

Tanus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 20, 2008, 10:00 pm »

Would lead to a lot of units getting pwned.

Dr. Doozer · « **Reply #5 on:** December 20, 2008, 10:26 pm »

Yes, there is a Temple on the map.

No, units should not spawn from it. It's a waste of time and an extreme uber advantage given to the Republic or any good force that has Coruscant on their side.

Sarcastic · « **Reply #6 on:** December 20, 2008, 10:39 pm »

My bad about the Temple but yes it leads to an unfair advantage.

Lord Zack · « **Reply #7 on:** December 20, 2008, 11:21 pm »

Shouldn't the Republic have an advantage on Coruscant? It's the capitol after all.

Mr. Recluse, the Beta Tester(Greiv55) · « **Reply #8 on:** December 21, 2008, 01:29 am »

I would only agree if it only brought forth ONE Jedi Knight at any one time

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #9 on:** December 21, 2008, 07:15 pm »

they would be like the emperors gaurds because there not the ones going into battle like the rest of the jedi there still training and there weak, not that much of an advantage

Argonnath · « **Reply #10 on:** December 21, 2008, 07:20 pm »

Jedi council was there. (windu yoda best fighters of all time )

Lord of the Night · « **Reply #11 on:** December 21, 2008, 07:23 pm »

Perhaps if this is approved they should be like the emp guard, stronger then most native units but gunned down nearly as easy

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #12 on:** December 21, 2008, 07:30 pm »

Quote from: argonnath on December 21, 2008, 07:20 pm

Jedi council was there. (windu yoda best fighters of all time )

those are all going to be heros if i am correct

Argonnath · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2008, 07:36 pm »

Yes I know. but you said that there was just Padawans.

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2008, 07:37 pm »

well yes they would be just padawans because there not ready to go fighting the CIS yet, but they have to protect there planet

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 22, 2008, 12:09 am »

I would say fine, but they would all look the same and that would really bug me. Jedi were all unique, they all had their own styles. looks, and powers; a generic jedi unit would never do any Jedi any justice; that's why I think they should only be heroes.

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #16 on:** December 27, 2008, 07:46 am »

its not to hard all u have to do is skin some of them diffrently.

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2008, 07:54 am »

yeah. And being that they are basically the younglings, they wouldn't have control over their powers yet so they wouldn't be able to use them. Just their Lightsabers. (And make their lightsabers vary in color so they don't all look the same.)

Tanus · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2008, 04:07 pm »

Not sure how possible t is to code different individual garrison units like you're proposing. Check with E.

If they're as weak as you make them out to be, they'd be useless.

Sarcastic · « **Reply #19 on:** December 27, 2008, 06:36 pm »

Yeah obviously the only Jedi in the Temple are younglings. All the Knights and Masters are suddenly on coffee break right?

Dr. Doozer · « **Reply #20 on:** December 27, 2008, 07:07 pm »

This idea seems to have many holes in it. Younglings weren't the only ones in the Temple; Masters and Knights were there, too. Did they just all magically disappear and leave little kids to defend the Temple?

Secondly, even if you were to try and make different models, they'd still end up being rather generic.

Thirdly, the lightsaber colors would be constituted in other character models, which is generic with different saber colors. This ends up to be a load on the engine and on the file.

Is that what you truely want?

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #21 on:** December 27, 2008, 07:41 pm »

if you ask me i think the temple should spawn mostly younglings, and a few knights the knights would have little, weak powers and the younglings no powers at all

Sarcastic · « **Reply #22 on:** December 27, 2008, 07:46 pm »

Well what's the point then? Outside of the butchery of the portrayal of the Jedi in the Clone Wars, Jedi are clearly greater than normal infantry.

Younglings are just kids learning how to use the force. Do you honestly want to see kids on the battlefield?

Knights on the other hand are already proven enough. At the beginning of Episode 3, Anakin was a knight. Well he was better than most, generally most knights would be at his level. Plus I give you the example of Zett Jukassa. A freaking padawan decimated a whole squad of troopers on his own and would have lived if he took them all out before running.

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #23 on:** December 27, 2008, 07:53 pm »

Quote from: Sarcastic on December 27, 2008, 07:46 pm

Younglings are just kids learning how to use the force. Do you honestly want to see kids on the battlefield?

they would do whatever they can to protect the temple...

Quote from: Sarcastic link=topic=5061.msg187960#msg187960
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Knights on the other hand are already proven enough. At the beginning of Episode 3, Anakin was a knight. Well he was better than most, generally most knights would be at his level. Plus I give you the example of Zett Jukassa. A freaking padawan decimated a whole squad of troopers on his own and would have lived if he took them all out before running.

Anakin was the chosen one, of cource he is stronger than most jedi his midiclorian count was higher than master Yoda!, and Zett Jukassa ambushed the clones, they didnt see him comming so of cource he had an advantage, and he still died either way xD

Dr. Doozer · « **Reply #24 on:** December 27, 2008, 07:54 pm »

1. They would usually still be held back inside the Temple unless absolutely necessary.
2. That's not the point.

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #25 on:** December 27, 2008, 08:04 pm »

there planet is being taken over by the enemy you dont think that is absolutely necessary?

Tanus · « **Reply #26 on:** December 27, 2008, 08:37 pm »

Keep the temple as background scenery. Having Jedi as pushovers is a bad idea. Having younglings fight is like using children to clear landmines.

Bad call.

Django (sunfalcon) · « **Reply #27 on:** December 27, 2008, 09:43 pm »

agreed. lets send out the children to get slaughtered. Great idea >_>.

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #28 on:** December 27, 2008, 09:44 pm »

nobody wants them to be pushovers... but they would be much weaker than Jedi masters and the children are great fighters even if they are young... and they would fight anyway because poeple are takeing over there planet!

Sarcastic · « **Reply #29 on:** December 27, 2008, 10:31 pm »

That's sick. No way we're having younglings fight.

Peace Trooper · « **Reply #30 on:** December 27, 2008, 10:34 pm »

younglings were fighting in episode 3 against the clones and Anakin

Sarcastic · « **Reply #31 on:** December 28, 2008, 12:16 am »

Getting slaughtered by Anakin while hiding in a corner in a little training room isn't fighting.

Tanus · « **Reply #32 on:** December 28, 2008, 02:44 am »

Quote from: Peace Trooper on December 27, 2008, 09:44 pm

nobody wants them to be pushovers... but they would be much weaker than Jedi masters and the children are great fighters even if they are young... and they would fight anyway because poeple are takeing over there planet!

Quote from: Sarcastic on December 28, 2008, 12:16 am

Getting slaughtered by Anakin while hiding in a corner in a little training room isn't fighting.

Younglings = pushovers. Also, having the jedi "much weaker" implies them being worse. Therefore, severely nerfed and equally pointless extra units.

Kindly explain to me as to why spawning a single youngling would help turn the tide of battle (first person to say minesweeper hits the Wall of Shame)

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #33 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:07 am »

minesweeper.

Anyway, the Younglings were at the temple in Episode 3. Where were the knights and masters? Thety were'nt there. Know where they were? Dying as their troopers turned on them in the battlefields of the Clone wars. Having a youngling out on the battlefield is not the same as having a normal child there. They have more combat training than the normal kid. And when Bail Organa was there, Anikan wasn't there to kill the youngling, and he took out several troopers at close range. (which would be pretty tough because they were the 501st meaning that they were battlehardened and seasoned troops) and no one youngling might not make a huge difference, but two groups of five might. That's not the point here anyway. We're talking special units for Coruscant, because the Empire gets the Royal guard when they have coruscant, and the Republic starts in control of Coruscant so they should get an advantage similar to the empires. I guess you could have a Knight at the head of every bunch leading them so it's not just a group of kids left to rome the battlefield. No masters though because that would make them uber to their cause. They are not supposed to be strong as an indigenous unit either.

If that doesn't convince someone, have a two Knights and a master spawn from the temple. That should be fairly adequate, not terribly uber, and pretty balanced for the attacking units. Still, for the Republic, since the Jedi were there, I don't think they'd be sitting back as scenery while there were people dying outside. That's not their way, and that kind of makes it uncanon.

Sarcastic · « **Reply #34 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:19 am »

Younglings have never fought in combat. All they know how to do is to deflect lasers from 1 training droid and minor control over the force.

The youngling you refer to was a padawan. Completely different.

In terms of Jedi
Padawan>Infantry
Knight>Infantry
Master>Infantry

No way to balance it without severely nerfing the Jedi.

Tanus · « **Reply #35 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:26 am »

If you can find an effective and useful way to have a single Jedi at a a time garrison from this temple (and be balanced), then you have my support. I can and have won land battles with three or fewer dark side adepts. Same idea.

Nerfing the Jedi is a no-no, and spamming them is out. We figured that only one would pop out at a time (if any).

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #36 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:51 am »

That's why I suggested that each group of younglings be led by a knight, or just having a master or 2 knights pop out at a time. And for those people who don't think a single unit can affect the outcome, every unit can affect the outcome of battle.

And as to episode 3, why was the padawan not accompanied by his master? a padawan would be at his masters side, and he would not just run off if his master was killed. (refer to episode 1)
Plus, all of the younglings were considered padawans. at least Yoda called them padawans. (he said that in episode 2 when Obi-wan came in the room and was asking about Kamino)

Sarcastic · « **Reply #37 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:59 am »

Have you even considered the potential of Jedi? A single master can easily take out an AT-AT. 2 knights would be even worse. If you take away their potential you're just nerfing them and having them in for the sake of having them.

Duh maybe because the master was either A)Dead B) On the battlefield C) Defending others as Jukassa was advanced enough to survive on his own.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Youngling

Refer to that and fix your definition of youngling and padawan.

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #38 on:** December 28, 2008, 06:19 am »

I'm not fixing something that isn't wrong. I stated my point straight from the movie, which makes it right over wookiepedia, because George Lucas himself said it was so by putting it in the movie. If they are at their normal strength and not nerfed down, they won't be balanced so in that case, I say no jedi.

andres_16 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 08, 2009, 02:24 am »

mmmmmmmmmm no...... bad idea no reming jedis on coruccant the number of reminng jedi's is poor no reming jedis on corucant. can active the idea in others planets

Sarcastic · « **Reply #40 on:** January 08, 2009, 02:32 am »

Again? Come on. This is close enough to dead. Make a new topic next time.

Mir'ika · « **Reply #41 on:** January 08, 2009, 02:38 am »

The Jedi never thought the Temple would have to be defended from the inside out. And there was a war going on, so most of the Masters and Knights were away on missions or commanding armies. They DID leave a few little-trained Knights. And several other "retired" Masters were there. But beyond that, there were not enough Jedi to mount a defense.

Tanus · « **Reply #42 on:** January 08, 2009, 02:40 am »

wooooo for necro-posting!!!!!!

Seriously guys, this has been argued to lucas knows where. let's let this die a quite and honorable death.

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