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[urkspleen]

The Empire should get a scout trooper unit that is not on speeder bikes, and uses sniper rifles. This is good because the Empire only has stormtroopers as a ground unit, and should have the same ability as the robots that come with the MPTL's (remove fog of war temporarily)

[e^(πi)+1=0]

cannon example?

[Dr. Doozer]

Aside from BFII, which is hardly canon, there's no examples

[urkspleen]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scout_trooper

its all pretty much there.

i dunno, just seemed like a good thing to fill the void that is the imperial infantry

[Solar]

Why would you remove the speeder bike for scout units? They are scouts they aren't supposed to be attacking, just finding stuff.

[urkspleen]

no one said anything about getting rid of speeder bikes....

[Solar]

The Empire should get a scout trooper unit that is not on speeder bikes,

You did

[Tanus]

well then. 

Personally, I don't like the idea of giving the Empire more infantry.  They strike me as more of the tank faction. 

[Lordpopcorn]

Actually, I think he meant in addition to the scout troopers already in. But I agree with the last post: the Empire doesn't need that many infantry.

[Solar]

Why would you want a slower scout unit? The Empire already has the Speeder Bike and AT-ST

[M Doyle]

weather cannon or not this was disscussed before and agreed upon, the imps will get scout seeders and scout snpers or the scout will have a sniper when he loses his bike. something like that,

[Argonnath]

Maybe after Bikes are destroyed they use snipers. But still no.

[urkspleen]

Actually, I think he meant in addition to the scout troopers already in.

this is correct.

[e^(πi)+1=0]

scout troopers are supposed to die if you expose them to enemy fire; they're not even dedicated combat units.

[Corusca Fire]

OMG! 2 things.

One:

If the bike blows up, WHY THE HELL DOES THE SCOUT SURVIVE. He just walks out of the explosion unscathed.

Two:

The Empire did not use varied infantry. IATs and Stormies. Nada mas.

[andres_16]

for me is a good idea, the scaut trooper in foc and eaw (normal game) is bad

[urkspleen]

The Empire did not use varied infantry. IATs and Stormies.

If scout troopers are a special division of stormies, but now that you brought this up, i actually like the idea of IAT too...

[Mir'ika]

They had a sniper corps.  They also had a commando corps and various others, including marines.  So don't say the did not use varied infantry.

[Peace Trooper]

i think scout troopsers should swich between rockets and snipers they should be in squads of like 6 because there not as good as rebel snipers being the white armor pretty much just shouts "KILL ME KILL ME IM OVER HERE KILL ME!!"

[Dr. Doozer]

That would be an uber unit.

[Sarcastic]

How in the world did you think that a rocket and sniper together wouldn't be good?

[Dr. Doozer]

(If that wasn't sarcasm...)

That's the problem: it's too good. THey'd be one-squad armies.

[Sarcastic]

No sarcasm from me. Especially to a vet like you Krystal.

And yes, they would be extremely flexible to use.

[Dr. Doozer]

Again, that's its problem. The flexibility would give the ability to just rotate your squad to any situation, which is not good. There's supposed to be speciality, not all-around units.

[urkspleen]

it doesn't really matter if it''s scouts, but how about we establish if the Empire should even get another infantry unit....

i think it's a good idea.

[Peace Trooper]

it would make things eaven between rebs and imps if they had rockets because they dont have rocket troops and each troop would be indipendently selectable and have shorter range from rebel snipers and rocket launchers and

[Sarcastic]

No. No Scout Troopers with rockets or snipers.

[D]

i say nay to this idea. building scout units with snipers is pretty unbalanced because it gives the Empire an even more powerful anti infantry than the stormtroopers, which is already more powerful than rebel infantry (as it should be). Scout troopers should stick on thier speeder bikes, and when they blow up they should only have pistols anyway. Look at Ep6.

[urkspleen]

ok, but how about a different type of imperial infantry.....they are sort of lacking here, which is pretty much why i suggested this. Now that i think of it, imperial army troops sounds like a good idea too.

[Dr. Doozer]

Not every last thing has to be balanced. Just because Rebels have PLEX Troopers doesn't mean we give them to the Empire; that's just mirroring gameplay and would become boring after a while. No, the Empire's strength with other infantry comes from the Scout Troopers on the Speeder Bikes. That's their strength. The Rebels have the Infiltrator and the PLEX. That's their strength.

Leave it alone.

[urkspleen]

ok then

no IAT's for me... :'(

[e^(πi)+1=0]

find a cannon example of what you describe.

[urkspleen]

which one? Scouts or imperial army troops....

heres scouts: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scout_trooper

and IAT's: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army

here's a good quote from this article that articulates what I want: "The Army utilized a wide range of equipment and vehicles in support of its infantry. Army units were often reinforced by stormtroopers, although the command structure for the two organizations remained separate. On garrisoned worlds, the Army operated in conjunction with Imperial Starfleet, stormtroopers, and the local constabulary to maintain order and security."

[SoulPain (FanEAW)]

i think he meant scouts as like rebel infiltrator... i would like to have them, so to counter the rebel anoying infiltrator.

[M Doyle]

How many times do i have to say this,

It was previously agreed the imps, along with every other faction, will get a sniper. the snipes would coem in squads of 2-4 and would swithch between weak pistols for close range and decent snipers for long range. they would be 1/2 shot killers but have weak armour and relatively slow except the droid sniper.

i belive this was under either imperial snipers or something snipers

[e^(πi)+1=0]

yeah but just snipers, not covert scouts with rocket launchers and sniper rifles.

[M Doyle]

of course, there's almost no way, unless they're a droid, that a person could carry both a rocket launcher and a sniper without breaking thier back, as even in today's armies, it still usally takes 2 people to carry anf fore a bazooka and/or rocket launcher. (not including stingers or RPGs)

so the snipers will stay snipers.

[D]

actually not all sniper rifles are that heavy, i mean the dragunov doesnt look too heavy.

but then again a barrett would probably require some lugging around

[Corusca Fire]

My question is this

If the bike blows up, WHY THE HECK DOES THE BIKER SCOUT SURVIVE!

[Mir'ika]

Throws himself over the handlebars and away from the explosion.  Plastoid armor that the scouts use should be able to withstand small fragments of shrapnel.

[Sarcastic]

Still in the blast radius. Maybe the biker should just die. He's pretty useless in the first place.

[Mir'ika]

Very good point.  THe biker has a hand pistol.  Not terribly useful.  I say he should be used as a spotter unit for the SPMA-T.  Better than a droid, in my opinion.

[Tanus]

I personally think they're fine as is.  They serve as spotters when they're on the bikes. 

[Mandalor Vipeer]

I do think that the Empire should have some kind of elite unit like the infiltrator

[D]

I do think that the Empire should have some kind of elite unit like the infiltrator

that would neutralize yet another advantage the rebels have over the Empire. not a good idea. the Empire already is uber enough.

[Mandalor Vipeer]

If you say so. I find it easier to play with the Rebels. The fact that they might be uber makes it that much easier to kill them. It seems that everyone thinks the Empire is uber, so they want all the extra abilities and strengths to go to the rebels. The Empire needs some special units too, I think.

[Tanus]

Lets put it this way: the Empire is the tank faction, concerned with little more than brute force and weight of numbers.  The Rebels are more tactical, and have perfected hit-and-run strategies that serve to harass the Empire, all while taking out key units.

Let's face it, the Empire wasn't as tactically brilliant as people make them out to be.  It doesn't fit in their gameplay mechanics to have a sort of elite infantry.  Stormtroopers already wreck rebs one-on-one.

[Mandalor Vipeer]

Yesterday, I had four squads of rebel infantry down 9 stormtrooper squads. Rebel troopers are stronger than imperials one on one. T4-b's own the crap out of most light imperial vehicles, and the speeders destroy turrets buildings and AT-AT's.

      Right now in EAW I don't see your point here.

[e^(πi)+1=0]

not now, but in UEAW, the Empire is getting a substantial power boost, so the rebs do need some more abilities to counter that, because they were pretty well balanced before.

[Mandalor Vipeer]

That's what I was pointing out. They weren't balanced very well. I'm not using UEAW right now, because I gave Mirshe my FoC disc and I have to wait till Christmas to get my Gold pack. So this is all regular EAW. I was pointing out that they were horribly unbalanced.

[D]

Yesterday, I had four squads of rebel infantry down 9 stormtrooper squads. Rebel troopers are stronger than imperials one on one. T4-b's own the crap out of most light imperial vehicles, and the speeders destroy turrets buildings and AT-AT's.

      Right now in EAW I don't see your point here.

viper. you know that isnt true. if you order stormtroopers to fire at rebel troopers with both using the take cover ability, the stormies would win. stop trying to twist the facts. if you can use tactics and micro-ing to beat AI it doesnt mean that the units are unbalanced, it means you can use tactics to turn the tables. Like you are supposed to.

And the Imperials ARE uber. They have AT-ATs. they have lancers. They have the turbolaser bombardement. they have alot going for them over the rebels.

[Mandalor Vipeer]

Some units are uber yes, but the rebels have good ante's. And micro managing had nothing to do with the rebel troops verses the stormies. I clicked, both were using the take cover ability, and the stormies lost one on one. There is no fact twisting here. Five troops killed nine with 2 of the 5 surviving.

Agreed with the turbolaser bombardments, but not AT-AT's and Lancers. They are both easily defeated. AT-AT= run some plex soldiers up to them. keep the troops behind them and the AT-AT goes boom. Build an anti air turret and the lancers go boom. Lancers arwe weak unless there is no AAA. they are good against speeders, I'll give you that, but no other AAA weapons.

[Tanus]

that was regular EAW, which I believe we can all count as obsolete now.  UEAW's troops: stormies win every time. 

anywho, on topic, I still think that the imps dont need another infantry unit.