Topic: LAAT/i Gunship (Read 1706 times)

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **on:** December 14, 2008, 12:39 am »

i tried to find it, but couldnt sry if this already been asked before, will the LAAT/i Gunship be in V2??

Dr. Doozer · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2008, 01:26 am »

Hmm. Used heavily by the Republic during Clone Wars...main aerial assault vehicle...you tell me.

D · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2008, 01:43 am »

there was a topic on all LAAT's, just look back a couple of pages

aceofhicks · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2008, 03:23 am »

Yes, I already asked this. It was Rejected if I remember right, though.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2008, 04:56 am »

you mean the main vehicle of the republic that you see in ep.2 and 3, PLUS the 3D animated movie PLUS the cartoons ISNT going to be included in V2?

aceofhicks · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2008, 05:13 am »

It was said that it would be only used to bring in AT-TEs if I remember.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2008, 05:15 am »

omg... i would LOVE to hear the excuses... you cant say "im going to included the republic in EAW" and not include LAATs... the republic's Icon IS the LAAT...

Sarcastic · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2008, 05:27 am »

Obviously you know what the staff is going to and not going to include.

D · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2008, 07:43 am »

Quote from: FanEAW on December 14, 2008, 05:15 am

omg... i would LOVE to hear the excuses... you cant say "im going to included the republic in EAW" and not include LAATs... the republic's Icon IS the LAAT...

look, maybe you should go read the topic before talking like you are supposed to. it may change your mind.

Solar · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2008, 08:54 am »

LAAT/i was going to be the infantry dropship, i think the C variant was for tanks.

THat was our decision and it is final. I think.

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2008, 03:45 am »

no decision was ever made as far as I know. I think they should be transports and gunships on land and gunships in space; the only non-hero space and land unit, though.

D · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2008, 08:29 pm »

they werent exactly what i would use in space though. They are really slow compared to fighters.

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2008, 11:25 pm »

They were light gunships, not meant to engage in dogfights; they had heavy armor, several beam turrets, heavy rockets, etc.

Django (sunfalcon) · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2008, 11:43 pm »

I vote for them in they played a HUGE role and were the republics main transport. They transported infantry to hotspots and actually were heavily armed for what they were. I vote they should be in as the Republics transport.

D · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2008, 11:52 pm »

but why deploy them in space, unless there is going to be boarding actions to take over other ships?

and are there cannonical evidence that gunships were used in space extensively? as i recall reading only a special variant introduced later into the war was space capable.

urkspleen · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2008, 02:02 am »

if you read shatterpoint, I think that they try to use them but they are trounced....i think that almost always they would land, transport, and provide support for infantry (and lands ATTE, although different variant)

i think that no reasonable commander would field them as combat units in space.

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2008, 02:43 am »

interesting... I'll look it up.
according to wookiepedia only the later versions could operate in space.

D · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2008, 04:33 pm »

I think its best to keep the LAAT in land battles. I sure as heck dont want my capitals wasting time spawning slow gunboats, when it could be spawning bombers or fighters instead.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2008, 04:43 pm »

look, all i have to say, is to add the Gunship because it played a major role in the Clone Wars, add it as a transport AND a combat ship, or one or another (i would prefer combat ship) because in EVERY movies (ep. 2 and 3 that is) and EVERYcartoon and the latest movie wich is /D animated you see it!! and as well u see in in BFI and BFII!! so i think you should add it as it played a vital role in the clone wars!!

I dont know about space, honestly, add them or not, but on land battles you SHOULD add them to make the faction cannonical?

Solar · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2008, 04:45 pm »

They will be in, but will not feature combat capabilties. Air combat never really worked in EAW and they would be far too uber if they were made cannon.

Argonnath · « **Reply #20 on:** December 16, 2008, 07:59 pm »

Quote from: Solar on December 16, 2008, 04:45 pm

They will be in, but will not feature combat capabilties. Air combat never really worked in EAW and they would be far too uber if they were made cannon.

Maybe it should "re made" Like can order Laat from re in forcements and it destroy some bad guys and return to fleet. Like bombing run or something.

urkspleen · « **Reply #21 on:** December 16, 2008, 09:18 pm »

perhaps it should only land troops and vehicles, but it can fire while landing, like the hound's tooth and IG 2000 do....

in fact, this is a great idea for all landing craft

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 16, 2008, 09:58 pm »

*idea!*
LAAt/i's going in and strafing enemy positions should be the republic's bombing run! I can't think of a more extensively used ground assault unit.

Corusca Fire · « **Reply #23 on:** December 16, 2008, 10:04 pm »

Holy [censored]. Great idea!

On the other hand, many mods have had the Laat/i, and since it can hover, it works fine.

urkspleen · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2008, 01:37 am »

if it were a land unit, an easy way to balance would be to give CIS the HMP

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 17, 2008, 04:05 am »

yes, but we don't want units that smash everything under them; besides, they tended to do fast strafing runs in ep II, hence the bombing runs.

Tanus · « **Reply #26 on:** December 17, 2008, 04:55 am »

sounds good.

just a point about the space thing though, if they had the weaponry that they had in canon, they'd make insane bombers. slow, but packed to the gills with weaponry.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #27 on:** December 17, 2008, 07:17 am »

LAATs were extensively used in ground combats, i have rarely seen them in a space battle except in BFII...

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 17, 2008, 07:03 pm »

only the latest versions even had the ability to go in space, and that was just so that the transports could stay in orbit.

urkspleen · « **Reply #29 on:** December 17, 2008, 09:40 pm »

as far as i know, there was never a LAAT that couldn't be in space.....

what i do know that their combat abilities were severley lacking in that area.....

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 17, 2008, 09:43 pm »

check out wookiepedia. Only the latest versions could go in space.

Django (sunfalcon) · « **Reply #31 on:** December 18, 2008, 01:33 am »

agreed. I still think they should serve as the republics transport as that is what they mainly were. They served to get troops into and out of hotspots.

Corusca Fire · « **Reply #32 on:** December 18, 2008, 02:15 am »

They were the primary mobile firepower of the Republic! It would be like taking the 2-M from the Empire! Just power them down, and give the OG-9 some AA capabilities (which was realistic)

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #33 on:** December 18, 2008, 05:59 am »

I don't know. besides when they dropped troops, I never saw an LAAT/i make an attack that wasn't a high-speed strafing run.

Argonnath · « **Reply #34 on:** December 18, 2008, 02:18 pm »

Episode 2. When they destroy CIS ships. (anakin says fire below fuel cells and they explode)

Solar · « **Reply #35 on:** December 18, 2008, 03:08 pm »

Those ships won't be in so a no go there.

urkspleen · « **Reply #36 on:** December 18, 2008, 10:30 pm »

Quote from: argonnath on December 18, 2008, 02:18 pm

Episode 2. When they destroy CIS ships. (anakin says fire below fuel cells and they explode)

that is during a high-speed run thing......

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 18, 2008, 11:25 pm »

Quote from: argonnath on December 18, 2008, 02:18 pm

Episode 2. When they destroy CIS ships. (anakin says fire below fuel cells and they explode)

yeah, that was most definitely a high-speed strafing run

Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2008, 03:08 pm

Those ships won't be in so a no go there.

I still think they should be the Republic's bombing run.

Mir'ika · « **Reply #38 on:** December 18, 2008, 11:37 pm »

Bombing runs by an LAAT/i squadron would be nice. And you just need to set it up so that they can strafe, like the speeders.

Solar · « **Reply #39 on:** December 19, 2008, 10:12 am »

Yeah, bomibng run unit = LAAT/i

Argonnath · « **Reply #40 on:** December 19, 2008, 02:04 pm »

But Y wing is then bomber in space it make more sense.

urkspleen · « **Reply #41 on:** December 19, 2008, 02:47 pm »

y-wings were only in the prototype stage at this point, and were not deployed on a large scale in the war.

Argonnath · « **Reply #42 on:** December 19, 2008, 02:49 pm »

the clone wars animation series....

urkspleen · « **Reply #43 on:** December 19, 2008, 04:48 pm »

yes, it has them, but only in a special squadron

Dr. Doozer · « **Reply #44 on:** December 19, 2008, 05:16 pm »

That was one appearence, but they were prototypes and in that case were the best suited fighter to the job. That's the only reason they were used. Give me another appearence in the Clone Wars where Y-Wings played an important part and I'll reconsider.

But, back on topic, making the LAAT/i the Bombing Run is actually a very good idea. It allows them to use their missile and beam laser strength without unbalancing the gameplay.

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 20, 2008, 06:30 am »

it seems we all agree.

Mir'ika · « **Reply #46 on:** December 20, 2008, 08:23 pm »

we....agree? AGGGGGGH! ARMAGEDDON! REPENT REPENT YE LOST SOULS AND SINNERS!

Mr. Recluse, the Beta Tester(Greiv55) · « **Reply #47 on:** December 20, 2008, 11:23 pm »

Quote from: e^(πi)+1=0 on December 20, 2008, 06:30 am

it seems we all agree.

Not me...

The LAAT/Is were NOT bombers, but more a Star Wars form of the Modern Hind Gunship(minor Troop transport/support platform). If bombing and only drooping troops off is gonna be it's only purposes then I say no to it being in at all. They were meant for frontline combat duty and carrying troops from the ships they came from to the battlelines and also from place to place rather than just to to the battlelines then pulling away to await being called upon for a bombing run.

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #48 on:** December 21, 2008, 01:33 am »

the LAAT/I's were a heavily armed troop transport. That what they were designed for. Rothana never meant for them to be front line units. They were meant for rapid troop deployment, not bombing or support.

Filo · « **Reply #49 on:** December 21, 2008, 03:25 am »

They were the equivalent of a helicopter gunship/infantry dropship, of today.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #50 on:** December 21, 2008, 03:57 am »

as i have seen throughout the SW episodes, the Galactic republic used them as the following roles:

Ep. 2: battle of Geonosis, 1st Role: quick assault

when Anakin says "fire between the fuel cells!", they fire on Trade Federation ships and they blow up.

2nd role: rapid frontline deployment and short support

as i am sure you have seen, the LAATs were landing troops and then going, BUT instead of doing a 180 degree turn they passed quickly over enemy tropps while firing at them.

3rd role: pursuit

The pursuit, of course, of Count Dooku.

Ep.3: Battle of Utapau, 1st role: rapid deployment

the rapid and sudden shock deployment by clones from the LAATs.

2nd role (employed extensively in that battle): frontline support and assault

why do you think they call them LAAT GUNSHIPS?cuz there basicaly ships, with alot of guns of them! for what? well for frontline support and assault duties of course!

(as you've noticed im sure, the LAATs werent going back and forth, they STAYING there and firing the heck outta "General Grievous's... spare parts!" as anakin said!)

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #51 on:** December 21, 2008, 09:15 am »

Aha. Try reading up on them. Even though they were used for that, they were meant by Rothana to be a heavily armed troop transport. That what they were designed for. Rothana never meant for them to be front line units. They were meant for rapid troop deployment. The troop deployment if you will notice was mentioned in every scenario because that's what they were meant to do. If you've ever played Republic Commando or read the books, you'll notice that some gunships keep going (with other troops such as spec ops) and land further behind the enemy. The ones that don't continue, do go back and retrieve some more clones, because the Acclamator's hadn't landed yet to deploy. According to what you were describing as the LAAT/I's role, it sounded a lot like the Accy's role in atmosphere.

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #52 on:** December 22, 2008, 12:13 am »

look, if they were just heavily armored troop transports, they wouldn't have a high-speed strafing arsenal on them; in fact, they would be entirely unarmed; did you see how efficiently they wiped out droids as they flew over them at full throttle on geonosis? if that's not a strafing role, then planes don't fly and I apparently see things in movies that aren't really there.

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #53 on:** December 22, 2008, 01:05 am »

Strafing runs can be done by bombers to. Just because they do something doesn't mean they were designed for it. If you'll notice, many people mentioned in the books and movies that the Republic was forced to improvise with many things because they were caught off gaurd.

Corusca Fire · « **Reply #54 on:** December 22, 2008, 01:27 am »

Okay.

LAAT/i gunships CAN hover just like any other repusorlift vehicle. All this "only strafing" talk is so dumb.

A "fully armed gun platform" used for "direct fire support"

I am just going to be EXTREMELY bummed without this in. It was an EXTREMELY major component of any Republic assault.

e^(πi)+1=0 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 22, 2008, 02:35 am »

arent bombers an extremely major component of any assault?
I didn't say they couldn't hover; its just that Republic pilots aren't stupid; their survivability is much higher if they get in and out fast, without slowing down.
can you think of a more extensively used republic ground assault ship?

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #56 on:** December 28, 2008, 04:34 am »

Quote from: Viper on December 21, 2008, 09:15 am

Aha. Try reading up on them. Even though they were used for that, they were meant by Rothana to be a heavily armed troop transport. That what they were designed for. Rothana never meant for them to be front line units. They were meant for rapid troop deployment. The troop deployment if you will notice was mentioned in every scenario because that's what they were meant to do. If you've ever played Republic Commando or read the books, you'll notice that some gunships keep going (with other troops such as spec ops) and land further behind the enemy. The ones that don't continue, do go back and retrieve some more clones, because the Acclamator's hadn't landed yet to deploy. According to what you were describing as the LAAT/I's role, it sounded a lot like the Accy's role in atmosphere.

they were MEANT for being a heavy troop tranpost, but were used alot more for basicaly supporting advancing troops and assaulting, i to hope that the gunship would be available for bombing run/unit cuz what u dont seem to not understand is that in EVERY battle in the clone wars (major ones anyways) you saw LAATs assaulting, sometimes even before the land troops.

urkspleen · « **Reply #57 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:09 am »

Here's the truth:

Whether or not the LAAT/i was meant for this or that, the LAAT/i was a major component of any republic armed forces. What exactly did it do? (disregarding what it was meant for):

1. Transport infantry: The sound of the "larty" coming was a sign to clone troopers everywhere of safety in retreat, of support in a battle, and confidence in victory. The LAAT/i had room for up to thirty clone troopers and 4 speeder bikes.
2. Support: The LAAT/i played a major role in combating the enemy, as it is called a gunship. The LAAT/i cleared landing sites, and provided direct support by being a flexible solution to many problems. While not being the best at any specific job, it had a wide-ranging arsenal that could deal with most targets. This is both it's strength and weakness. (Quote from wookieepedia:
"The LAAT/i was a repulsorlift infantry transport capable of carrying up to thirty troopers. Secondary functions included reconnaissance, direct fire support, search-and-recovery, and low-altitude air-to-ground and air-to-air strikes against vehicles ranging from airspeeders to starfighters.")
3. Did not participate in space battles: (Quote from wookieepedia: "Infantry gunships were equipped with atmospheric containment shielding and could be deployed from space, although their optimal fighting range was still in the lower atmosphere, where they could reach speeds in excess of six hundred kilometers per hour.")
4. If it is in the game, it will not be uber because the LAAT/i was not heavily armored, and relatively easy to destroy. (Quote from wookieepedia: "The LAAT was highly effective but lacked large amounts of armor making it a vulnerable target.")

All of the quoted material can be found on this link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Low_Altitude_Assault_Transport/infantry

Should it be in the game? Yes. no republic force was without them, and were a huge resource. A single Venator carried forty LAAT/i gunships with it, and the Acclamator carried double that number.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #58 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:15 am »

EXACTLY, very well said, it was ALWAYS there.

Tanus · « **Reply #59 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:29 am »

well that about sums that up. can we consider this idea passed?

Mr. Recluse, the Beta Tester(Greiv55) · « **Reply #60 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:35 am »

Quote from: e^(πi)+1=0 on December 22, 2008, 02:35 am

arent bombers an extremely major component of any assault?
I didn't say they couldn't hover; its just that Republic pilots aren't stupid; their survivability is much higher if they get in and out fast, without slowing down.
can you think of a more extensively used republic ground assault ship?

None besides troop transports(Capital Ship to land) such as the CR20(seen in the OLD Clone Wars Cartoons) or the CR25(Seen in Republic Commando). While the ARC-170 was used as a dual-purpose Aircraft(fighter/bomber) which makes it a good(and the only canon choice for bombing). And the LAAT itself was made for fast Troop deployment and Frontline infantry support and nothing other than that.

Quote from: e^(πi)+1=0 on December 22, 2008, 12:13 am

look, if they were just heavily armored troop transports, they wouldn't have a high-speed strafing arsenal on them

Viper said ARMED not ARMORED

As I said before if the LAATs aren't gonna be up to their full potential and thus Canon... They SHOULD NOT be in at all!!

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #61 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:58 am »

Well I thank you for supporting my arguments on them, but I do think they should be in.

Quote from: urkspleen on December 28, 2008, 05:09 am

Here's the truth:

Whether or not the LAAT/i was meant for this or that, the LAAT/i was a major component of any republic armed forces. What exactly did it do? (disregarding what it was meant for):

1. Transport infantry: The sound of the "larty" coming was a sign to clone troopers everywhere of safety in retreat, of support in a battle, and confidence in victory. The LAAT/i had room for up to thirty clone troopers and 4 speeder bikes.
2. Support: The LAAT/i played a major role in combating the enemy, as it is called a gunship. The LAAT/i cleared landing sites, and provided direct support by being a flexible solution to many problems. While not being the best at any specific job, it had a wide-ranging arsenal that could deal with most targets. This is both it's strength and weakness. (Quote from wookieepedia:
"The LAAT/i was a repulsorlift infantry transport capable of carrying up to thirty troopers. Secondary functions included reconnaissance, direct fire support, search-and-recovery, and low-altitude air-to-ground and air-to-air strikes against vehicles ranging from airspeeders to starfighters.")
3. Did not participate in space battles: (Quote from wookieepedia: "Infantry gunships were equipped with atmospheric containment shielding and could be deployed from space, although their optimal fighting range was still in the lower atmosphere, where they could reach speeds in excess of six hundred kilometers per hour.")
4. If it is in the game, it will not be uber because the LAAT/i was not heavily armored, and relatively easy to destroy. (Quote from wookieepedia: "The LAAT was highly effective but lacked large amounts of armor making it a vulnerable target.")

All of the quoted material can be found on this link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Low_Altitude_Assault_Transport/infantry

Should it be in the game? Yes. no republic force was without them, and were a huge resource. A single Venator carried forty LAAT/i gunships with it, and the Acclamator carried double that number.

That proves what I said to. Everything says that their primary role was a transport. The Reoublic improvised some of their uses, and eing a transport, their main goal is to get their troops to the drop-off site, or get them safely away. This leads to the heavy armament, but they are lightly armored.

urkspleen · « **Reply #62 on:** December 28, 2008, 06:09 am »

ok, let's get on with it then:

1-0

Sarcastic · « **Reply #63 on:** December 28, 2008, 06:09 am »

The only thing accomplished in a posting vote is racking post count up. Set up a poll and let it be.

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #64 on:** December 28, 2008, 06:21 am »

That last comment has been kind of proven to be wrong several times. Some people just vote in the poles and don't read the discussion at all. The post voting allows us to determine the actual vote of people who know what's going on and didn't just vote in the poll just so they could vote. (this basic concept was agreed apon by several mods, so if you disagree, argue with them)

anyway.

Make that 2-0

Sarcastic · « **Reply #65 on:** December 28, 2008, 06:23 am »

Big deal. Someone could just read the last page and ignore over half the topic. All post voting does is poll in a different way and on this forum rack up post count.

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #66 on:** December 28, 2008, 06:29 am »

Be that as it may, it still happens and the mods agree. By arguing, you are racking up posts.

Sarcastic · « **Reply #67 on:** December 28, 2008, 06:31 am »

I'm obviously talking to the expert of post racking.

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #68 on:** December 28, 2008, 11:05 am »

Thank you. I'm just relaying what the mods say though so flatter them and not me. I am no expert.

Sarcastic · « **Reply #69 on:** December 28, 2008, 04:00 pm »

I beg to differ.

Posts: 1042 (22.170 per day)

urkspleen · « **Reply #70 on:** December 28, 2008, 05:36 pm »

First off,

second, who cares how much someone posts as long as it is not spam, and is in the spirit of having a productive discussion?

Ross · « **Reply #71 on:** December 28, 2008, 08:10 pm »

Quote from: urkspleen on December 28, 2008, 05:36 pm

second, who cares how much someone posts as long as it is not spam, and is in the spirit of having a productive discussion?

Correct. Shut up about post racking, get back on topic.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #72 on:** December 28, 2008, 08:10 pm »

Sarcastic, you are seriously starting to get annoying, stop being cocky and stop being bossy and annoying and whiny, we are discussing what will happen to my idea here, so STOP. before you get banned by the mods. just a friendly warning.

Fan.

Mir'ika · « **Reply #73 on:** December 30, 2008, 03:44 am »

3-0. And agreed- STOP ARGUING! Or I shall be forced to sic a pack of ghouls upon you and sacrifice you to Nyarlathotep, The Crawling Chaos.

D · « **Reply #74 on:** December 30, 2008, 06:49 am »

im against 3-1

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #75 on:** December 31, 2008, 05:13 am »

And sorry bout getting off topic again, but this will be the last.

Quote from: Sarcastic on December 28, 2008, 04:00 pm

I beg to differ.

Posts: 1042 (22.170 per day)

Notice that you have to take the amount of time I'm on, then the speed at which I type (which is pretty fast verses some people), and how fast I can manuever around the site (which is also fairly fast)

Okay sorry bout that, just had to clear that up, now back to topic.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #76 on:** January 01, 2009, 07:51 am »

4-1 of course i wont be agaisnt my idea... ADD THEM UP lol

Mandalor Vipeer · « **Reply #77 on:** January 01, 2009, 10:38 am »

Pretty sure it passed here.

SoulPain (FanEAW) · « **Reply #78 on:** January 02, 2009, 12:06 am »

ight waiting fer a mod to close and move, thank you.

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